When do you NOT copy the pros? | Baron Pit /ALL Chat [League of Legends]


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    The Baron Pit is ALL Chat’s discussion segment where we roundtable a question and then kick it to you for your opinions. This episode’s question: when do you NOT copy the pros?
    Watching pro League of Legends is a great way to learn how to demolish your lane opponents and up your game. Sometimes, however, pro players are playing a completely different game than you and I. From weird pocket picks to strategically funneling gold, when should you not copy the pros in solo queue to get the best results?
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    When do you NOT copy the pros?
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Kovar Parker
Kovar Parker

I would be challanger but this 1 player keeps kicking my ass.

Vor year
Keirgo McGinlay
Keirgo McGinlay

I kinda...dislike that early advice. Not that it's WRONG, but well...what do we support players do? Our entire role is built around team play and well...supporting. I know it's VERY true sometimes you draw a team not worth supporting (out damaging my ADC as Braum was a fine example) but there really isn't a 'hard carry' option for us. What are we supposed to do? (Other than not play MF.)

Vor 2 years
I am
I am

how do you know what your strength are? is there some test?

Vor 2 years
Allyson Ninetales
Allyson Ninetales

A common misunderstanding when people watch the Worlds is that they think the MVP is the only one who's carrying the game by themselves and not notice how good the teammates are performing, doing a good job at supporting and assisting that one person by always preparing a good set up and such, which is something not every team composition has. They just patronize the MVP and they don't value teamwork, thinking that the pros have that kind of mindset, which is definitely NOT true. The limelight may reveal the best actor, but the stage reveals how good is everyone's performance.

Vor 2 years
Allyson Ninetales
Allyson Ninetales

Why should you not copy the pros? Cuz you're not one. LOL

Vor 2 years
Todd Anthony Caputo
Todd Anthony Caputo

when they choose trundle support and your in bronze

Vor 2 years
krazyman159
krazyman159

DO NOT COPY THE PRO when it clear that the pro player's mechanical skill is bigger than your own. "oh look pro player playing leesin and doing insec kicks every single time, i wanna do that" "but you never played leesin your an adc main" "but, but the pros do it so easy so it has to be easy" *face desk*

Vor 2 years
Yovanny Riveros
Yovanny Riveros

I want to marry with that girl

Vor 2 years
zeppelin estrada
zeppelin estrada

I like the left-handed cups ;D

Vor 2 years
KlondikeKun
KlondikeKun

I'm glad you brought up Renekton my favorite champion and you mentioned that sometimes you have to be the one to step up to the plate.

Vor 2 years
Anteares Columbus
Anteares Columbus

bad players try to carry the games by themselves instead of actually doing it and helping the team win.

Vor 2 years
Gilded Drake
Gilded Drake

You had to mention nidalee. She is the perfect example. She needs really high mechanics, is really early and does increadibly well in the pro scene since forever. She has 60% winrate in challenger and 40% in silver/bronze. Because she can't handle late game. And because she requires a game awereness and a level of mechanics far above than playing volibear jungle. And playing her in teamfights is hard, really hard. A nidalee in ranked below gold elo has a lot of chances to only be a heavy weight you'll have to carry.

Vor 2 years
Kat Na
Kat Na

4:42-4:48 good editing my friend

Vor 2 years
Yash DefinetlyNotYash
Yash DefinetlyNotYash

SORAKA JUINGLE PLEASE

Vor 2 years
Dick Jivas
Dick Jivas

Best All Chat yet, i really prefer these in-depth discussions

Vor 2 years
Soul The Lalafell
Soul The Lalafell

From what I have heard in so many interviews from Pro or Challenger Series Players - The games in the LCS are completely different to what they would experience in a Solo Queue game which means pretty much almost all of what they do is going to be only useful to someone who is also in the Pro Scene. So really the one bit a player should take from watching the Pros play is literally "if you like the look of a champion they're playing then try them yourself" The rest is legitimately pointless

Vor 2 years
Ed C
Ed C

I want an ALL Chat mug!

Vor 2 years
Cupcakecula
Cupcakecula

Playing MF support before worlds was more rewarding than after the pros played it.

Vor 2 years
Dhilip Raja
Dhilip Raja

I Disagree . Just keep playing and find it urself. If u start cpying u will never learn.

Vor 2 years
Lance Leon
Lance Leon

therealthelip /0 maybe not by copying without thinking, but if you try to understand why pros are doing something, you will learn very quickly.

Vor 2 years
Xatni
Xatni

"Don't expect your team to be worth supporting" Damn if that ain't the truth. Once I learned that, it was so much easier and more enjoyable to do soloq.

Vor 2 years
silverstrings gia
silverstrings gia

this whole video is about asking people to stop playing MF support. LUL

Vor 2 years
Andrew Shuffett
Andrew Shuffett

LOL Or to not play yasuo jungle, Amumu top, or anything else you see streamers doing for fun...

Vor 2 years
silverstrings gia
silverstrings gia

i have more than 60% winrate on MF sup.im going to play her no matter what.you better not ban me for that,Rito!

Vor 2 years
Acrive
Acrive

The possibility that a silver/bronze player is gonna play a champion like Braum or Tahm Kench to the same extent as a Diamond or Master tier player is pretty low, just because of how complicated they are in comparison to other champions available in that elo. A silver player is going to have much better results with champions like Soraka or Karma for example, just because they are way easier to play and are then better in that certain elo. Just because I see a pro player play X champion in Challenger elo doesn't mean i'm going to get the same results in lower elo.

Vor 2 years
James Coburn
James Coburn

Maybe when you have no fucking clue why they did what they did.

Vor 2 years
Mr Tony
Mr Tony

i totally agree with the unsure then copy idea i played a kha game yesterday unsure what to build or evolve looked it up, bam im carrying

Vor 2 years
Will0721
Will0721

See, I'm fine with silver or bronze, I don't want to play champions that I don't want to play, I don't want to tryhard, I want to have a good time with my friends, win or lose.

Vor 2 years
Micquan Dawson
Micquan Dawson

damn dash growing that wolverine beard

Vor 2 years
Ery Almario
Ery Almario

when to not copy the pros? if they pick a really difficult champo and it has a low win rate

Vor 2 years
Fsih Noguld
Fsih Noguld

low winrate xd

Vor 2 years
incogation
incogation

lol ya a fill player gets adc there's a good joke.

Vor 2 years
Firecracker Jinx
Firecracker Jinx

i can't copy the pros i don't even understand what they are doing

Vor 2 years
Je Zuis kaas
Je Zuis kaas

hу friеnds, уоu shоuld hurry uр if уоu wаnt to cаааtch uр with this сhanсе, I just gоt mуsеlf 3050 frеe RP, I knоw it's nоt muсh (wеll асtuаllу it quitе is) but уou dоn't hаvе tо shаrе аnу links tо gеt referrаls or suсh, уоu dоn't hаvе tо givе anу раss, it's just sоmеthing tеmpоrarilу sее http://twitter.com/19cb0308ab8059289/status/719100417246961665 Whеn do yоu NОТ сору the рrоs Bаrоn Рit ALL Chаt Leаgue of Lеgеnds

Vor 2 years
Firecracker Jinx
Firecracker Jinx

this is true tho i'm low elo cuz i deserve low elo. Not offensive at all

Vor 2 years
Gornesto
Gornesto

Finaly somone who thinks like a low elo pleb #noofence

Vor 2 years
Nikola Vukić
Nikola Vukić

full ad renekton my man

Vor 2 years
Karlwison Duarte
Karlwison Duarte

Where is Jessica?

Vor 2 years
Martin Garcia
Martin Garcia

why copy pros when you can make your own meta? Jungle MF works great against mids with no escape and when MF can out burst adc.

Vor 2 years
John Clarkson
John Clarkson

When to not copy the pros? When you're playing solo queue.

Vor 2 years
Mat Clark
Mat Clark

Jesus christ these kids are gold

Vor 2 years
We Are The M
We Are The M

I don't copy them because I don't watch them

Vor 2 years
sunsen226
sunsen226

I disagree with the pick for late game. If you are good enough and climbing elo, you want to close the game asap. Picking a mid game/ early lane bully can help you snowball faster and steamroll your enemy. Imagine your teammate are not very good, will you be looking for a good late game team fight? If you pick a late game champ I doubt that you can survive to late game and look for a favorable team fight to close the game. Making every game a late game will have too much uncertainties that you cannot control.

Vor 2 years
Tony Wooldridge
Tony Wooldridge

I'm not at the beach this is a bathtub!

Vor 2 years
Gartax
Gartax

shut up

Vor 2 years
vegworm
vegworm

you apparently will be reported and threatened to be perma banned #AdellaideSkyhart

Vor 2 years
Viktor Lima
Viktor Lima

out of 6 mf support i have seen only one was good. She was actualy roaming around and helping other teammates

Vor 2 years
Xia Allen
Xia Allen

ye guess what when i dont copy the pros i get banned for trolling?

Vor 2 years
Jon Mellor
Jon Mellor

Why they got a 17 yr old girl there lmfao

Vor 2 years
Kathy M
Kathy M

I create MY account and play it for years, I spend over 2000 dollars on skins and champions, I need a reason why my account is suspended. I just bought the new lux skin bundle which cost me 3900rp. Is this the way Riot treat it's loyal player????? I played this game for years and I was platinum on season 4 and diamond since season 5, why am I getting banned because of boosting????? REVIEW my RECORD, how am I not qualified just a DIAMOND 5 TIER????? EVEN streamer has bad time and I had a car crash, took me month to recover, my brand new car was totally scrapped because the guy behind me was fall asleep on the highway with 80 miles, so I was in the hospital and play some bad rank games, is that my fault???????? I am paying thousand of dollars on RIOT is nothing????? CUSTOMER means nothing to your company is it????????????????????????????????????????????? PAY MY $2000 MONEY BACK AND I WILL NEVER TOUCH ANY RIOT GAME AGAIN, I WILL ALSO TELL ANYONE I KNEW, NEVER PLAY ANY RIOT GAMES, BECAUSE RIOT NEVER CARE ABOUT IT'S CUSTOMER. I PLAYED THIS GAME FOR YEARS AND SEE WHAT I GOT??? TELL ME IF YOU THINK IT IS FAIR!!!!! I AM FEELING I AM PAYING MY MONEY FOR YEARS ON A Sxxx IF I KNEW RIOT DOING THIS TO HIS (USED TO BE) LOYAL CUSTOMER, WHO PAYING MONEY TO SEE THEIR WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP GAME AND SPEND THOUSANDS ON NEW SKINS, I WON'T EVEN START PLAYING THIS GAME, I AM WASTING MY TIME ON YOUR GAME FOR MORE THAN 3 YEARS!!! JUST PERMANENT CLOSE MY ACCOUNT AND GIVE ME MY MONEY!!!

Vor 2 years
furyp100
furyp100

4:25 typical support kappa

Vor 2 years
Aarron
Aarron

Id like to shout out to that one yasuo jungler who insisted that "a pro did this once". He got his booty spanked and it was funny. For my team.

Vor 2 years
TenTiggers
TenTiggers

yay dash is back

Vor 2 years
alefaso5
alefaso5

Thanks for saying the MF Support facts, as a main support i ussually struggle with temmates asking me to pick her on solo Q where they don't even know how do i play

Vor 2 years
TheBeevinator
TheBeevinator

I never look at the pro scene, I played a few hundred hours of Dota 2 ability draft and I learned how to make up my own builds and combos. Who needs pros?

Vor 2 years
Stammer6
Stammer6

I still don't get MF supporting Ashe. Ashe is the one with a slowing passive, AoE slow W, vision-granting E, and stunning R. I don't understand why the one with utility is the carry and the one with scaling is the support.

Vor 2 years
Peter Hu
Peter Hu

ashe doesnt scale on skills, none of her skills does damage if you have no gear. on the contrary mf has more than decent base damage on her skills, her e works so well with ap sup item. it is so easy to get gold in laning phase as mf. like Dan610XX said ashe sup is just so terrible, no damage, 1 slow ability, the only cc she has is her ultimate, which only stuns like less than 1 sec close range. so why bother ashe sup?

Vor 2 years
Coconattsu
Coconattsu

Because ashe support is terrible, not saying MF support is good, probably in only 1 or 2 matchups.... but her poke and slow are more reliable than Ashe's

Vor 2 years
Yoda
Yoda

All chat girl is super hot/cute/sexay. Liked the video for that reason alone

Vor 2 years
zitens66
zitens66

Here are a few examples when never to copy the pros. If you are in silver elo or below. Different metta different thought process. If you are struggling with last hitting. If you just bought that champ and have never played it before. If your teammates tell you dont play that. If you have been playing league for less than a month. If your main reason for picking a champ is "I like it" not "It wins games"

Vor 2 years
Little Pankek
Little Pankek

I find it ridiculous how I point out that people are comparing themselves to challenger players by thinking that a mf support is "good". I had this one mf support on my team that I told this too and he said it's ok (playing MF supp first time ever) and he literally went 0-11 and not even buying sightstone. NEVER compare yourself to a challenger player.

Vor 2 years
Mike Muniz
Mike Muniz

Never. Cause MF support was a stupid idea to begin with that worked out of pure luck and now all the rejects are trying to do it as if they know how to do it.

Vor 2 years
M33S
M33S

Just don't copy the pro's because if you do everything by yourself its so much more fun.

Vor 2 years
James Vienneau
James Vienneau

This video doesn't say anything about when not to copy pros. What a waste of my 7m this was. Giving examples of what happens at different tiers isn't a reasonable explanation of when not to copy pros. Would make more sense to copy pros, watch their games, learn what they do in team and solo play, and practice a lot. Wish video titles would actually contain content related to it.

Vor 2 years
Jacob Hunter
Jacob Hunter

Can they make another episode called when to not listen to the people that think they know the game because they are payed by the shittiest company ever

Vor 2 years
Atlas Echo
Atlas Echo

I want to be on all chat so bad like not getting my comment read but actually being on the show as a guest, or even better a host

Vor 2 years
Polymorphable
Polymorphable

i think this was a good video.

Vor 2 years
Dustviller P
Dustviller P

Riot dash is fking hot !! i wanna kisssss him

Vor 2 years
Alejandra Gonzalez
Alejandra Gonzalez

Braum is life jajaja yes I main braum :P

Vor 2 years
Sean O'Neill
Sean O'Neill

You should almost never copy the pros. Especially for builds. Because a pro will be able to utilize certain aspects of the build order or items to a fuller extent than a solo queue would. But, I did say "almost never." If you have no idea on what to build, take the items, read each one, and THEN figure out which one's YOU need in WHICH ORDER! Shield supports aren't going to need Athene's until they have Face and Locket for instance. I don't play much of other roles, so I wont talk more, but you should get the jist.

Vor 2 years
dddmemaybe
dddmemaybe

This Baron Pit is kinda better than what I remember from /all chat. Although I only watched very early /all chat and then dropped it.

Vor 2 years
Just Josh
Just Josh

Dash got CHUBBY :))))

Vor 2 years
xDPrismshotxD
xDPrismshotxD

Mf support? Pick Yasuo support. Ashe support? Pick Yasuo support. Pick Yasuo.

Vor 2 years
Cory Brock
Cory Brock

"Walk up and smack her in the face!" The best advice of league of legends ever for tank/support.

Vor 2 years
The OddOne
The OddOne

dude dash need braces XD

Vor 2 years
phil feld
phil feld

Why aren't jimmy and jessica in baron pit ever? are they lowelo?

Vor 2 years
laffytaffy0123
laffytaffy0123

#dyrusbuilds

Vor 2 years
Walter Hickman
Walter Hickman

I rule I think should be added, don't counter-pick if you don't know how to play the damn champ

Vor 2 years
Neon Shadow
Neon Shadow

You don't copy the pros when you don't understand the reason behind what they're doing. Lots of people look at pro guides but only at the "ideal build path" and don't read the guide, therefore don't understand why the pro builds X item and when he would build that, or choose something else instead. That's just one example.

Vor 2 years
P3RZON4
P3RZON4

My poppy lvl 1 W key start 50 armor 61 Mr Tank I want sion to get that strong ;D

Vor 2 years
Edward Kim
Edward Kim

is dat da grill from Stranger Things?

Vor 2 years
om3ga109
om3ga109

Never. You never copy the pros. Don't.

Vor 2 years
Sasuke125690
Sasuke125690

DASH ISNT CHALLENGER??? HAS HE EVEN GOT CHALLENGER?????

Vor 2 years
AdvancedSoda
AdvancedSoda

+Kordian Klonek I wonder if he casts while he plays :P

Vor 2 years
Kordian Klonek
Kordian Klonek

AdvancedSoda Deficio was top1 NA challanger in s3/4:P

Vor 2 years
AdvancedSoda
AdvancedSoda

None of the casters are challenger for all I know. Maybe diamond.

Vor 2 years
Luggs
Luggs

Sasuke125690 none of them are even masters

Vor 2 years
Sasuke125690
Sasuke125690

ppl who 1v9 mute everybody else

Vor 2 years
willie farnum
willie farnum

dont copy the pros when (im not gonna say any names) voyboy plays ap tryndamere in lcs

Vor 2 years
beauxq
beauxq

Don't copy the pros if you're not capable of doing what the pros do. The pro ADCs build berserker's greaves almost every game - but the pros are good at avoiding the enemy hard cc. If you're not good at avoiding the enemy hard cc, then build mercury treads on ADC.

Vor 2 years
Mike Lewis
Mike Lewis

wtf is that shit music in the background. turn that garbage down, we're trying to listen to the video not some ass bs in the background

Vor 2 years
Ky4124
Ky4124

Personally I've picked up MF Support and I love her. Me and a mate usually duo Bottom lane with MF and Jhin. Make it rain + Deadly flourish into jhin and MF Ult. So much versatility with them two

Vor 2 years
WENtheCOOLEST
WENtheCOOLEST

That moment when the teemo support or TANKMO carry the team. Better understanding of the 'off-meta' picks has a double-edged kind of presence in low elo. Its either the enemy team stomp you or you let em taste Hell. Answer to the question is, you do not copy the pros. You Imitate it. Hehe XD

Vor 2 years
Eli Massie
Eli Massie

When riot tries to force everyone to play meta but the pros go against meta and they have to cover it up... lame video.

Vor 2 years
theleagueofgaming
theleagueofgaming

What do i do? I play really good on a champ and mostly win in ranked with him, but i feel bored when i play the champ and want to play others in that role but when i do i suck!

Vor 2 years
Talibanana
Talibanana

"When to not copy the pros" When you're Diamond or below

Vor 2 years
Andrew Johns
Andrew Johns

Have run quite a bit of MF and Ashe and have been very successful. Again to your point, you have to pay attention to what the other team's comp looks like.

Vor 2 years
pitkindefines
pitkindefines

What!!! MF, supp, & bot lane! it's a good pick, people that can't play ADC, who also play support should not pick it.

Vor 2 years
DeathSkaye Bolo
DeathSkaye Bolo

GET FLAGGED, the undisclossed ad for probuild. Sneaky sneaky you should all become adcs for c9 kappa

Vor 2 years
Melvin
Melvin

1:00 "I guess Renekton isn't very good right now." Wow. Great way of showing the audience you know jack shit about the game. Renekton is a top pick in top lane with Courage of the Colossus. Do you even play League??????

Vor 2 years
Aries Fernando
Aries Fernando

When do you mot copy the pro aka challenger : when the player is pants are dragon

Vor 2 years
Roast God
Roast God

LOOL

Vor 2 years
Descendant
Descendant

Aries Fernando lmfao

Vor 2 years
Chaosium
Chaosium

"doing more do diligence" what an idiot.

Vor 2 years
James Young
James Young

I think its due diligence

Vor 2 years
Chaosium
Chaosium

dude on the left tries to use big words and mispronounces them.

Vor 2 years
Vendrix
Vendrix

seriously so fucking annoying seeing retards pick mf support just because they saw it on worlds jesus.

Vor 2 years
Disarpairs
Disarpairs

Actualy MF support is only good while your adc is Ashe or Jhin ONLY PLAY HER AGAINST ZYRA

Vor 2 years
Vendrix
Vendrix

but it was only noticeable after worlds. It exploded.

Vor 2 years
Andrew Johns
Andrew Johns

Did it before they played in worlds.

Vor 2 years
Mnkwa K
Mnkwa K

*goes to **probuilds.com** after hearing their mistake* Oh wow, those are some nice rooms.

Vor 2 years
IANF126
IANF126

some champions pub stomp in low tiers and struggle in higher tiers. High level soloQ players should understand how to counter a blitzcrank just by playing and dodging hooks and probably will make all but the dedicated mains of the champions look bad. But it's still a great champion at lower tiers because people most likely don't have good mechanics to beat it just by dodging hooks and kiting him.

Vor 2 years
atrain 34007
atrain 34007

Put it all on your shoulders and carry your heavy ass team.... he is bad. There are alot of shit ass players that try to do that but are feeding hard. Which means when you are all ad with no tank items you just die immediately in team fights and if split pushing you die in 5 seconds when someone comes to klll you.

Vor 2 years
Aristides Colon-Castillo
Aristides Colon-Castillo

Sometimes the team is too stupid to even be carried. I once had the entire enemy team chasing me for 2 minutes straight all my team did was farm the jungle, and by jungle here I mean everything that is not baron or dragon. Then when I finally dies somewhere between 2 minutes and 2 minutes and a half they started yelling at me because apparently I was a feeder.

Vor 2 years
TerminHaider
TerminHaider

He also said "play into your strengths". If putting your team on your shoulders and carrying is your strength, then do it. If it's not your strength, don't do it. It's that simple.

Vor 2 years
three point one four
three point one four

FAKER OLAF MID

Vor 2 years
i8u2manytimes
i8u2manytimes

I say copy from streams and not worlds, often they will explain their thought process to viewers, however think of it as a crutch, once you start understanding what you the player can get away with, you can start doing things your own way. my example is vi, I watched a few streams for jungle (not vi specific) and learnt what makes a good jungler and items that work well there, put two and two together and made a vi build for beginners, then slowly started rushing triforce after red smite into cinderhulk because I could with limited risk but more reward

Vor 2 years
Kekistani Necromemecer
Kekistani Necromemecer

Just more enforcement of the meta. Riot doing exactly what they promised they wouldn't do. They've even started banning players for playing off-meta which is 100% bullshit. Playing off-meta isn't, by definition, trolling. It's why Graves jungle and Brand support not only exist, but turned out to be good. They're getting ready to eliminate Normal Draft too. Which is going to shunt a giant part of the player base into ranked games that never wanted to play under the pressure of ranked. If you even think about suggesting I go and play Blind Pick instead, you can just go die in an abandoned barn in the middle of Kansas from squirrel rabies. I'm not fighting anyone to play my preferred roles, or dealing with the screaming baby rage when someone doesn't get theirs. I don't mind being auto-filled from time to time, but Blind Pick is just cancerous. If your computer is even a little slow, you're going end up support 99% of the time. You can't even practice a champion properly with it because it doesn't function like a normal game. You don't know what you're up against, there are no counter picks, no bans, and you might end up in a mirror match, which is literally impossible in Draft mode.

Vor 2 years
Saya Sasamiya
Saya Sasamiya

I'm

Vor 2 years
Saya Sasamiya
Saya Sasamiya

A bronze player who copy pros

Vor 2 years
Ishmael Reyes
Ishmael Reyes

I WANT LAST LOL'S PLZ

Vor 2 years

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